NOT POSSIBLE: It is not possible for people to know an ultimate moral foundation without God. An utter impossibility! Try as one might, without God, all one can do is assert a position and hope others agree. But such an approach is fluid; what one considers right, or wrong today was the opposite a generation ago, and might be reversed a generation from now. In the long ago, Scripture attests to this approach. People did (do) not want to retain God in their knowledge. Thus, they gave (or give) up on God, so God gave (gives) up on them. Moral chaos reigns in society as a result. Many of these same people realize the emptiness of life, but instead of religion (God) they call themselves spiritual. In their spirituality they float back and forth as the wind moves them, never anchored to something greater than themselves.