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  • J. Randal Matheny 4:18 am on 2016-05-14 Permalink | Reply
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    Chose one of these statements. Your eternal life depends upon it. 

    In an article called, “Obedience Unlocks God’s Power,” a popular evangelical writer states:

    While effort has nothing to do with your salvation, it has much to do with your spiritual growth.

    This is the standard evangelical disclaimer about obedience. If you read anything by evangelicals, you’ll see similar statements all over the place. Now this: (More …)

    • D. H. Johnson 9:45 am on 2016-05-14 Permalink | Reply

      Randy, you are absolutely right about choosing the right version that comes from the correct Greek copies. It makes me wonder why absolute specific obedience to every detail is required TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN, but after we become a Christian, sin is acceptable. If loving God is keeping his commandments (1 Jn 5:3), how much do we love him if we keep one command? Two? Three? How many commands are we to obey if we love Him with all our heart, soul and mind? God makes a covenant, but for some reason it is not necessary for God’s children to keep ALL of the commands of that covenant. The Israelites kept many of the commands of God, and Jesus testified they kept the Sabbath, Feast Days, and even tithed! However he also testified that not one of them kept that covenant (John 7:19). Why? They were warned that unless they kept ALL of the commands of the Covenant, he would curse them (Deut 28;1; 15). If we keep all the law but offend in one point, are we not guilty of all (Jas 2:10-12)? What is so hard about keeping all the commands of God (1 Jn 5:3)? We claim to follow the Great Commission, but how many plan to ‘observe ALL THINGS whatsoever’ Jesus commands us? Should we not apply the same principles of obedience to God’s children that we apply to the unbeliever so that he can become a Christian?

      • Humberto 5:57 pm on 2016-05-15 Permalink | Reply

        “…but after we become a Christian, sin is acceptable

        lol, who said that?

    • Carol Vinzant 9:52 am on 2016-05-14 Permalink | Reply

      Dear Randy, I, for one, REALLY appreciate your devoting your writing to the elements of salvation that really matter! We are in the most ecumenical phase ever, since the restoration of the church. Most think we of churches of Christ, ( including many of our own members are thinking this way) are too picky and only focus on baptism. I believe we began to focus on baptism because it was what was being omitted. We all should recognize the difference in “effort” and “obedience.” Of course we should NEVER forget FAITH on our part, and GRACE as God’s gift to us. Anyone who can read and understand the Bible cannot miss the fact that GOD wants Obedience to His WORD…..We should NEVER take away nor add to God’s Word. (Rev. 22: 18, 19).Even Moses did not get to go into the promised land due to disobedience and what EFFORT he had manifested! (We know Moses IS in Heaven with God, and got to view Canaan, and later was on the Mount of Transfiguration.)
      “Preach on, Brother,” and may we simply TRUST and OBEY.

      • Humberto 6:01 pm on 2016-05-15 Permalink | Reply

        I second your comment. <3

        Well said. Abiding Jesus words is easy. People complain too much and they have forgot the simple and essential baptism.

    • fd4tht 10:40 am on 2016-05-14 Permalink | Reply

      Of course, none of those folks would argue that you must “obey” God to grow, or to acquire forgiveness when you sin. Even the “sinner’s prayer” requires compliance. Repentance is obedience. Leave it to the devil to skew terms and leave a trail of deception. Thanks for the persistence.

    • Timothy Hall 10:43 am on 2016-05-14 Permalink | Reply

      Clearly stated, Randal. By juxtaposing Warren’s statement with Scripture’s you show the serious contrast between the two positions. God has been so gracious to offer salvation; why would we ever quibble over His terms?

  • Richard Mansel 3:41 pm on 2010-06-10 Permalink | Reply
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    The New Face of American Evangelicalism 

    This ABC video is astounding. Do you see Christ in this discussion?

    • Mike Riley 4:33 pm on 2010-06-10 Permalink | Reply

      Richard, Christ was mentioned a couple of times in passing, that’s it. No preaching of the cross was mentioned (1 Cor. 1:18). No mention of Christ and Him crucified (1 Cor. 2:1-2). No mention of the plan of salvation. The discussion was more about secular worldly thinking than spiritual thinking (Col. 3:1-2).

    • Weylan Deaver 4:56 pm on 2010-06-10 Permalink | Reply

      It appears the emphasis is on the here-and-now, rather than judgment and eternity. The panelists are loathe to call wickedness sin. They’ve a grossly watered down message that can scarcely be differentiated from what many well-meaning, but misguided, unspiritual people believe. You can’t tell a Christian from a dyed-in-the-wool secular environmentalist if both are consumed with the issue of “climate change.” The darker gets the night, the brighter the true church will shine, but that’s because it stands in stark contrast to what the world believes. The panelists look like they’re taking their cues from a politically correct agenda, rather than the New Testament. If the devil is anything, he is clever.

      • Richard Mansel 5:05 pm on 2010-06-10 Permalink | Reply

        Well said, Weylan. There basically is no difference, as you said, between secular and their version of spiritual. They are mistaking liberal politics for Christianity, just like some do on the extreme right. Undoubtedly, Satan is thrilled.

    • Phil Sanders 12:30 pm on 2010-06-11 Permalink | Reply

      Not once did the subject of man being lost in sin come up. It seems to me following Jesus must include evangelism far more than anything else. This is the age influenced much by a Brian McLaren, who thinks ecology is more important than repentance.


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