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  • John T. Polk II 9:06 am on 2016-03-11 Permalink | Reply
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    3-8-2016 The Gift Of The Holy Spirit 

    The church of Christ began when the Apostles commanded “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38 NKJV). “The gift of the Holy Spirit” was only given by the laying on of the Apostles’ hands. Later, when Samaritans “were baptized,” Peter and John were sent to them, “who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit” (Acts 8:15-17 NKJV). There are no Apostles today to give “the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
    This is Johnny Polk, with “Words of Wisdom” brought to you by the Oneida church of Christ.

    • Don Ruhl 11:20 am on 2016-03-12 Permalink | Reply

      John, What do you do with Romans 8.11 that says the Spirit dwells in our mortal bodies, and Galatians 4.6 that says because we are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts?

      • John T. Polk II 3:06 pm on 2016-03-20 Permalink | Reply

        To those who were baptized into Christ (Romans 6:3-18), Romans 8 encourages walking “according to the Spirit” 8:1 by “the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” 8:2, which is the instrumentality through which the Spirit influences and guides 8:4-8. A Christian life, therefore, is one directed by “the law of the Spirit of life” which “dwells in” us 8:9. If that law “dwells in” us, “Christ is in you” 8:10, and our sinful body is “dead” “but the Spirit is life because of righteousness” 8:10. Our “mortal bodies” will receive life by the same Spirit that inspired the writings by which we are guided. After all, Jesus said, “”It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63 NKJV).
        Until the New Testament was finished, miraculous workings of the Holy Spirit, bestowed by the laying on of the Apostles’ hands (Acts 8:12-19), was given to some who obeyed the Gospel. Paul asks the Galatians, “Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” (Galatians 3:5 NKJV). In other words, did these miraculous deeds come to them while they were under Moses’ Law, or to those who obeyed Jesus Christ? The answer comes after 3:19-29 has made them “sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,” “God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts” 4:6. When the word “was confirmed” by miracles (Mark 16:16-20), then a Christian “who is taught the word” should share “good things” with “him who teaches” (Galatians 6:6). If the Holy Spirit, Himself, dwells in each Christian’s heart, why should he teach, and whom does he need to teach?

        • Don Ruhl 7:12 pm on 2016-03-24 Permalink | Reply


          Romans 8.11 makes clear that He who raised Christ from the dead will do it by means of the Spirit who dwells in us. It seems that you believe any reference to the Holy Spirit is a reference to miracles, but why do you believe that way?

          In that passage, Paul spoke of the Spirit as dwelling in us as a matter of fact. Also, Galatians 4.6, speaking of all Christians, for Paul said, “because you are sons,” declares that the Father has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts.

          If God wanted us to get the idea that the Holy Spirit dwells in us, how else would he have said it, other than the way that He said it?


    • Weylan Deaver 1:42 pm on 2016-03-12 Permalink | Reply

      John, there is much with which to disagree in your short post. I would put it, rather, that the church began when the Spirit descended on the disciples in Acts 2. They had already been born of water by submitting to John the Immerser’s baptism for the remission of sins, and, when the Spirit was poured out on them by Jesus after his ascension (Acts 2:4), they were now born of Spirit, thus meeting both requirements for entrance into the kingdom, as stipulated by Jesus (John 3:5). When the first saints entered the kingdom, then you had the church of Christ in existence on earth. The Spirit is given to the obedient (Acts 5:32; 2:38), and “poured out upon us richly, through Jesus Christ our Saviour” (Titus 3:6), as Joel had prophesied (Joel 2:28), and as John had promised to all his hearers (Luke 3:16). The passages mentioned by brother Ruhl are apropos, as well as a host of others. True, there are no living apostles to give any “gift” today. But, then again, apostles never gave the “gift” of the Spirit to anybody. That was always God’s doing, whether it involved the miraculous (1 Cor. 12:11) or the Spirit as given to indwell every saint (1 Cor. 6:19).

      • John T. Polk II 3:20 pm on 2016-03-20 Permalink | Reply

        Weylan, Thanks for reading these “Minutes,” and I hope some others may catch your attention.
        The baptism of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles had nothing to do with their conversion, as mentioned in John 3:5. Have you not read that Peter said the Pentecost event was not for their conversion, but the fulfillment of Joel 2:28-32?
        After that, until the New Testament was finished being written and confirmed (Mark 16:16-20), any reference to the Holy Spirit, Himself, being in Christians, must be tempered by Acts 8:12-19 and Acts 19:1-7 as occurring through the Apostles’ hands. Those who received “the Spirit who is from God,” spoke those things they received in men’s words (1 Corinthians 2:7-13), until the written word was finished. Paul did not anticipate Christian’s miraculous reception of the Holy Spirit beyond that point, because the Holy Spirit said through him: “If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord” (1 Corinthians 14:37 NKJV). We must understand the Holy Spirit through the Holy Spirit’s own book.

      • Weylan Deaver 1:20 pm on 2016-03-21 Permalink | Reply


        If baptism in the Spirit “had nothing to do with their conversion” (as you say), it did have everything to do with their entrance into Christ’s kingdom, which they could not accomplish without being “born of water and of the Spirit,” which includes immersion in both, and which applies to everybody who would enter the kingdom, including us. The about-120 disciples did not need converting on Pentecost because they were already disciples. What they needed was the Spirit so they could enter the kingdom (having already been immersed in water unto the remission of sins via John’s baptism).

        Peter’s audience in Acts 2 did need converting. They had not been born of water or Spirit. They needed both, which Peter indicated at v. 38. The descent of the Spirit in Acts 2 was the beginning of the fulfillment of Joel 2:28ff., but you fail to see its ongoing application (Acts 2:39, etc.). We are in agreement miracles have ceased, but it is not accurate to hold that reception of the Spirit is, itself, a miracle (e.g., the human body’s reception of a soul at conception is supernatural, but not a miracle). I agree with you that “We must understand the Holy Spirit through the Holy Spirit’s own book.” That Book teaches about the Spirit’s ongoing, active role in the saint’s life, providing blessings additional to, and in harmony with, the Bible itself.

        Given your view of John 3:5, you have the (insurmountable, in my judgment) task of proving that “born of” means both immersion and non-immersion for us (a contradiction). Or, you could claim John 3:5 is not applicable to us, in which case you surrender water baptism. I understand the principle that one passage can throw light on another passage, but we ought not let assertion based on presupposition lead to interpretation which does violence to the text.

    • LaraIngalls 2:51 am on 2016-03-14 Permalink | Reply

      And a follow up question: Is there a distinction to be made between “receiving the Holy Spirit” (which would indwell every Christian) and the “gifts of the Holy Spirit” (the prophecying, speaking in tongues, etc., that 1 Corinthians tells us will cease and that Scripture demonstrates involved the apostles &/ or God’s intervention)?

      • Weylan Deaver 3:02 pm on 2016-03-14 Permalink | Reply

        I believe there definitely is. All Christians (past, present, future) receive the Spirit. No Christians are performing miracles today. Only some Christians–even in the days when miracles were happening–ever had the ability to perform miracles by the Spirit.

  • John T. Polk II 8:21 am on 2016-01-28 Permalink | Reply
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    1-29-2016 Say And Do Not 

    Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, ‘I know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:3-4 NKJV). Saying but not obeying only deceives one’s own self. Commands “in Jesus’ name” are “His commandments.” Jesus’ Apostle Peter commanded, ‘Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit’” (Acts 2:38 NKJV). To claim “remission of sins” before repenting and being baptized, means a person has not kept “His commandments.” Jesus said of Pharisees, “they say, and do not do” (Matthew 23:3 NKJV). Jesus said, “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me” (John 14:21 NKJV). Do you love Jesus Christ?

    This is Johnny Polk, with “Words of Wisdom” brought to you by the Oneida church of Christ.

  • J. Randal Matheny 10:16 am on 2015-08-01 Permalink | Reply
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    Use of “aphesis” (forgiveness) in the Septuagint 

    “Deissmann has made an interesting study of the use of aphesis [forgiveness] in the Septuagint (BS, pp. 98-101). There it is translated ‘brooks’ (Joel 1:20) and ‘rivers’ (Lam. 3:47). He shows that this is probably due to the use of the term in Egypt—the Septuagint was made in that country—for the ‘releasing’ of water by opening the sluices. Then there is the common use in the Septuagint of aphesis for the Year of Jubilee. It was a time of release of land. In Egypt the word was used for the ‘release’ of land from the payment of taxes. This usage is found both on the famous Rosetta Stone (196 B.C.) and the papyri. The Septuagint also uses it for the sabbatical year (Exod. 23:11).”

    — Ralph Earle, Word Meanings in the NT, p. 290.

    • John Henson 7:17 pm on 2015-08-01 Permalink | Reply

      The release or the “sending away” from the prefix “apo” in ἄφεσις. Robertson indicates it is “a sending away after the buying back,” which is especially clear in Colossians 1:14.

  • John T. Polk II 9:09 pm on 2015-04-01 Permalink | Reply
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    4-1-2015 Who's “Killing Jesus?” #3 – Saved Without the Church 

    Paul told the Ephesian Elders “to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood” (Acts 20:28 NKJV). That purchase makes Christians “a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people” (1 Peter 2:9 NKJV). People who obey the command to “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38, 41 NKJV), know that “the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved” (Acts 2:47 NKJV). People claim they are saved and live a Christian life but have nothing whatever to do with the churches of Christ, have killed Jesus’ purpose in dying on the cross! Since His death purchased the church, and the Lord adds the saved to the church, no one saved is outside His church.

    This is Johnny Polk, with “Words of Wisdom” brought to you by the Oneida church of Christ.

  • TFRStaff 6:22 am on 2013-08-15 Permalink | Reply
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    Baptism Cleansed Naaman, and It Can Cleanse You! 

    Baptism Cleansed Naaman, and It Can Cleanse You! by David Ray Fanning I

    II Kings 5:1-14 contains the story of Naaman, who was the Gentile army commander for the country of Syria. Naaman desired to be healed of a chronic infectious disease known as leprosy (v.1). When Naaman heard that the Jewish prophet Elisha had the ability to cleanse him, he immediately made arrangements to go to Elisha’s house (vv.3-8). He “thought” that when he arrived, Elisha would come out to meet him and heal him by waving his hand over the diseased place. Instead, Elisha sent a messenger to Naaman and told him that in order for him to be healed, he would have to go, wash (literally, immerse or dip himself,) in the river Jordan seven times. Naaman became furious because Elisha’s plan on how to save him from this dreadful disease was not the same as what Naaman had in mind (Proverbs 14:12; Isaiah 55:8; Acts 26:9). Furthermore, Naaman felt that there were rivers better than the Jordan River. After encouragement from his servants, Naaman eventually chose to lay aside his thoughts and feelings and “do according to the saying of the man of God” (v. 14; Matthew 7:21; James 1:22). As a result, he was healed. Naaman would have not been healed if, instead of dipping himself, he sprinkled or poured water over himself. Naaman would have not been cleansed if he had immersed himself only six times.

    The New Testament is clear that a non-Christian must be buried in the watery grave of baptism in order for his sins to be cleansed through the blood of Jesus (Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; John 3:5; Acts 2:38; 8:12-13, 35-38; 9:18; 10:47-48; 16:13-15, 30-33; 22:16; Romans 6:3-7; I Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:26-27; Ephesians 5:25-27; Colossians 2:11-13; Titus 3:4-5; Hebrews 10:22; I Peter 3:18-21; Revelation 1:5). As a result of Naaman’s strict obedience to God’s specific commands, he was cleansed of his leprosy. This is a great example of a person obeying the commands of God (not his thoughts and feelings), which resulted in receiving God’s promised blessings. To obey God as He specifies is to respect His supreme, exclusive authority or sovereignty (Matthew 28:18; Colossians 3:17; II John 9-11; John 8:31-32).

    Though the story of Naaman is clearly not an example of salvation from sins, it is an example of the necessity of obedience (James 2:24-26). In order for a non-Christian to be saved from his sins he must, like Naaman, respect God’s sovereignty by obeying His commands. One of His commands is baptism (Mark 16:16; Acts 10:48). To love Jesus is to obey His commands (John 14:15). Ananias fulfilled the Great Commission when he told Saul of Tarsus in Acts 22:16, “Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” Many who have zeal without knowledge would deny this clear passage and tell you that baptism does not wash away sins (Romans 10:1-3). They would falsely tell you that only believers are baptized. They would tell you that baptism does not literally remit sins through the blood of Jesus; whereas, Acts 2:38 states clearly that the reason why the sinner repents and is baptized is “for” the remission of his sins. Are you willing to be washed of your spiritual disease called sin (Romans 3:23; 6:23)? If so, then why are you waiting? Arise now and be baptized, having your sins washed away through Jesus’ cleansing blood (Revelation 1:5; Ephesians 1:7; Acts 22:16)!

    via http://www.thegospelofChrist.com

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