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  • TFRStaff 6:49 am on 2016-07-08 Permalink | Reply
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    13 Objections to Baptism by Dave Miller, Ph.D. 

    Some churches historically have taught that water immersion is the dividing line between the lost and the saved. This means that a penitent believer remains unforgiven of sin until buried in the waters of baptism (Romans 6:4). Much of the denominational world disagrees with this analysis of Bible teaching, holding instead that one is saved at the point of “belief,” before and without water baptism. Consider some of the points that are advanced in an effort to minimize the essentiality of baptism for salvation. Read >>

     
  • John T. Polk II 9:32 pm on 2015-04-27 Permalink | Reply
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    4-13-2015 “We have found the Messiah” (John 1:41) – Forgives Sins 

    1 John 3:4 NKJV says, “Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.” Since sin is the violating of God’s Law, only God can forgive sin. Jesus said a miracle showed He had “power on earth to forgive sins” and then healed a paralyzed man instantly (Mark 2:1-12 NKJV). No Apostle or church of Christ was ever to “forgive sins,” but they preached Jesus Christ as “The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29 NKJV). No one today has the right either to claim to forgive sins with “works of penance,” or make up their own rules on how to be forgiven by God with “a sinner’s prayer!” Jesus said, “He who believes and is baptized will be saved” (Mark 16:16 NKJV).

    This is Johnny Polk, with “Words of Wisdom” brought to you by the Oneida church of Christ.

     
  • Ed Boggess 10:06 am on 2015-03-05 Permalink | Reply
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    The apostle Paul says, “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved”. A lot of the “faith alone” folks interpret this as referring to a Sinner’s Prayer. But that is not what Paul was talking about. There was no such thing as a Sinners Prayer in Paul’s day. Nor is it found in scripture. A few verses later Paul says, “but they have not all obeyed the gospel.” Some call on the name of the Lord and others obey not the gospel. Paul knew calling on the name of the Lord involved obedience. Why? When lost, Jesus told him to go to Damascus and he would be told what he must do. He did and Ananias found him praying and told him “Arise, be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” In Paul’s case, calling on the name of the Lord involved being baptized. So you “faith alone” folks can have your Sinners Prayer, I’m going to go Paul’s way. This is Just-A-Minute.

     
  • Ron Thomas 7:00 am on 2014-12-31 Permalink | Reply
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    THE SINNER’S PRAYER – A BIBLE ANSWER (4) 

    In this last article in this series on the sinner’s prayer we will address the question: What does the Bible say? It is not only important to know what the Bible says, but also to contrast the biblical answer with that which the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association gave.

    It is interesting to note that on the following page (page 5, Living in Christ & Gospel of John) there are three questions, all related to how one knows. They are: How does one know he (she) is saved? How does one know he (she) is a child of God? How does one know he (she) has eternal life? The answer to these questions is settled with a simple reply. God said it in the Bible. This is not true, however, with the sinner’s prayer.

    Since the sinner’s prayer is found nowhere New Testament, exactly what does the Bible say about “how to receive Christ”?

    In the second article of this short series, mention was made of Peter’s words to those in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2). It was there that Peter made plain to his hearers their guilt in that they killed the Lord’s anointed (Acts 2:23). Responding to the weight of their guilt, the crowd asked Peter what they needed to do to remove this guilt killing the Lord’s messiah. Peter replied: “Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:37-38, ASV).

    This is a biblical answer to the question “how to receive Christ?” It is not a made up answer, but one that is straight from the words of the apostle.

    Here is another biblical answer to “how to receive Christ?” “But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women” (Acts 8:12, ESV).

    In these two biblical passages we learn the following things the Holy Spirit said one needs to do to “receive Christ.” They are: 1) believe the good news, 2) repent, and 3) be baptized.

    That is a biblical answer, and one that is easily supported by Scripture. Why didn’t the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association give this Bible answer? It appears they desire to teach entry into Jesus by some other means than that by which Jesus said one must enter (cf. John 3:3-5).

    My friends don’t try to enter by some other way than Jesus’ way.

     
  • Ron Thomas 7:00 am on 2014-12-30 Permalink | Reply
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    THE SINNER’S PRAYER – WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY? (3) 

    In the two previous short articles on the “sinner’s prayer,” it was mentioned that the sinner’s prayer is not a teaching of the Bible wherein one becomes a Christian. It is the teaching of a great many people, but it is not the Lord’s teaching at all.

    Now, what does one do if they feel they became a “Christian” by the sinner’s prayer? To begin, since the sinner’s prayer is not a teaching of the Bible it is biblically impossible for one to become a Christian in that sort of way. Whatever purity of motive might exist on the part of the one who prayed for Christ to “come into the heart” is not a sufficient biblical answer to being a Christian. Second, it is important to understand there are two equally important components to serving God; Paul identifies these as “sincerity and truth” (1 Cor. 5:8). With regard to the sinner’s prayer, only one was satisfied. Now the other needs to be satisfied – that is, truth.

    This is a hard matter for a great many people. It is hard because for a period of time they have lived with the strong conviction that Christ has been on their side, that their prayers have been heard, and they have come to believe that all of the good blessings they experienced are directly from God. As you can well imagine, it is a hard thing to be told you are wrong when you have lived with a conviction so long.

    It is, moreover, a potentially fruitless matter to speak to their strong convictions as to whether or not their prayers were heard, and to the blessings they are convinced came from God. These things can be set aside for another day. It is not a fruitless matter, however, to speak to what the Scripture says. With the former it is an entirely subjective matter, but with the latter it is a matter of what God said, it is a matter of biblical evidence. How does one then begin to convince?

    What does the Bible say? The Bible is rather clear, and this will be addressed in the next, and last, article.

    More to follow; this is the third of four articles

     
  • Ron Thomas 7:00 am on 2014-12-29 Permalink | Reply
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    THE SINNER’S PRAYER – ANOTHER GATE (2) 

    Previously I mentioned a booklet, “Living in Christ & Gospel of John,” published by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association wherein there are steps to salvation outlined for the reader of this booklet. I made the observation that of the steps set forth for the reader to consider there is scriptural support for most of the particular remarks made, but on the last step there is none. Mighty strange and unfortunate!

    Though unfortunate, there is something good that comes from this that teaches us much. The sinner’s prayer, a standard teaching in the Protestant denominational world, is a teaching that has been conjured up by man and, thus, is not of God. If it was of God, then one can be sure the author(s) of this booklet would have included that alongside the remark. As it is, there is not!

    In their “last step of the way” (if you will) in “how to receive Christ” there is a remark wherein one needs to pray a prayer asking Jesus into the petitioner’s heart. The prayer reads this way:

    Dear Lord Jesus, I know I am a sinner, and I ask your forgiveness. I believe you died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from running my own life, and now I ask you to run it. I invite you to come into my heart and life [sic]. I trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior. In Jesus’ name, amen. (page 4)

    The sinner’s prayer is misguided at best and flat out biblically wrong at worst! This is a teaching of man, and not of God (Matthew 15:8-9, 13-14). It is a serious matter and not one to be lightly dismissed. The biblical answer to “how to receive Christ” is not so difficult that one needs to make up an answer that is not in the Bible! “How to receive Christ” is exactly similar to the question that was asked of Peter in Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost. After hearing Peter preach, citing Scripture to support his points, after hearing Peter lay at the feet of the Jewish community the killing of the Lord’s anointed, they inquired of Peter what they need to do.

    Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do? And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:37-38, ASV)

    Thus, those who desired to become Christian by the sinners’ prayer have tried to enter in through another gate (or door). There is no other gate, however. The gate they tried to enter in, they thought, was Christ. In fact, the gate they thought they entered through was not Christ, but a gate that belongs to another (cf. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

    More to follow; this is the second of four articles.

     
  • Ron Thomas 7:00 am on 2014-12-26 Permalink | Reply
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    THE SINNER’S PRAYER (1) 

    At a second-hand store the other day, I picked up a number of small booklets pertaining to the subject of religion. I check this particular store on a regular basis; sometimes I come across some really good finds that are really of great value to me. Most often, however, I come across books that have little value, so I pick them up with the intention of reading and writing a word or two about it.

    Today, I am writing about such a booklet. The book is “Living in Christ & Gospel of John.” It is published by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (2014). The intent of the book is to encourage one to be a Christian, helping a person study through the Gospel of John.

    On page 4 of the book there is an introductory section titled “How to receive Christ,” and it has some useful information, but some unfortunate information also. In answering the question “how to receive Christ?” there are steps one must follow; I have numbered them at five (though the booklet has them numbered at four). They are: 1) recognize God’s plan (John 3:16), 2) realize one’s separation because of sin (Romans 3:23; 6:23), 3) respond to God’s remedy (Romans 5:8), 4) receive Christ (John 1:12).

    What is of particular note in these four steps would be the outlining of thoughts in accordance with Scripture; it may be that some would dispute the application of a particular Scripture, but that is not my point, as much as the effort and evidence they think supports their point. This does not happen on the fifth step, which is the following remark: “Through prayer, invite Jesus to come in and control your life through the Holy Spirit (receive Christ as Lord and Savior),” followed by a “prayer of commitment.”

    With this approach, a prayer is worded that the reader is invited to repeat. This is known as the “sinner’s prayer.” This sinner’s prayer is a prayer given to the Lord as an answer to question “how to receive Christ.” There is no Scripture to support the giving of it as a correct biblical answer! Don’t miss this. In the earlier remarks on the page there is scriptural support for the answers, but none for this one. Might there be a reason for that?

    More to follow; this is the first of four articles.

     
    • J. Randal Matheny 7:05 am on 2014-12-26 Permalink | Reply

    • docmgphillips 6:34 pm on 2014-12-26 Permalink | Reply

      I do correspondence Bible studies with prisoners. Many of them have fallen prey to this unfortunate “teaching.” Thanks for writing.

    • pray2christ 2:35 am on 2015-01-09 Permalink | Reply

      I used to like the concept of sinners prayers, till I saw that people who said it didn’t always live a holy life unto God. Then I realized that receiving Christ is not say-a-prayer-and-get-your-ticket-to-heaven.

      Thanks for this post.

    • GORDON 1:13 pm on 2015-01-09 Permalink | Reply

      WHERE IN THE BIBLE IS THE SINNER’S PRAYER AND WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT IT WILL SAVE YOU?IT IS NOT IN MY
      BIBLE. 2 PETER 1:20 SAYS THE BIBLE IS OF NO PRIVATE INTERPRATATION. BILLY GRAHAM’S BOOK IS NOT AN AUTHORITY ON THE BIBLE. I CAN’;T FIND THE CONCEPT OF” ACCEPT JESUS INTO YOUR HEART AND HE WILL SAVE YOU” IN MY BIBLE. MAYBE YOU COULD GIVE ME THE SCRIPTURE. GOD’S PLAN IS TO ” HEAR THE WORD ROM10:17, BELIEVE THE WORD JN0 8:32,REPENT OF YOUR SINS ACTS 17:30,CONFESS CHRIST BEFORE MEN MATT 32:33, BE BAPTISED(IMMERSED IN WATER) FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS ACTS 22:16 AND ACTS 2:38, LIVE FAITHFUL TILL DEATH.REV 210″. THAT IS GOD’S PLAN AND IT OVERRIDES ANY MANMADE SCHEME OF MEN. WHICH ONE OF THESE COMMANDS CAN YOU LEAVE OUT AND BE PLEASING TO GOD?

    • GORDON 3:14 pm on 2015-01-09 Permalink | Reply

      i misunderstood the intent of the writer of the article. i fully agree with RON THOMAS. I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH BILLY GRAHAM.

  • Eugene Adkins 7:24 am on 2014-03-26 Permalink | Reply
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    More on the sinfulness of the sinner’s prayer 

    The sinner’s prayer most often finds its advocates in the corner of those who espouse the grace only and faith only doctrines.

    These particular doctrines basically say that an individual can personally do nothing to “earn” his or her salvation, hence the need for repentance, confession, baptism and even faithfulness becomes a “fruit” of salvation rather than “seeds” which lead to it.

    But isn’t it funny how those who teach that there is “nothing that a person can do to earn their salvation” also teach that the same person “must” say a prayer to be saved?

    Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.” (Romans 6:16-17)

     
  • Eugene Adkins 7:15 am on 2014-03-25 Permalink | Reply
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    It’s a sin to teach someone to pray the sinner’s prayer 

    Other than inserts written inside the front or back page cover of a Bible, the “sinner’s prayer” is completely foreign to the gospel of Christ.

    Can you find sinner’s praying in the pages of the New Testament? Sure you can, but you won’t find the “sinner’s prayer” being said. Not one time can a person be found who is told to “pray this prayer” much less any prayer to be saved.

    You will find people being told to believe (John 8:24), people being told to repent (Acts 2:38), people being told to confess (Romans 10:10), people being told to get baptized (Acts 22:16) and people being told to live faithfully even if it cost them his or her life (Revelation 2:10), but you can’t find someone being told to pray to be saved!

    Is there anything wrong with saying a prayer before or after responding to the gospel call of Christ? You’d be hard pressed to convince me so – but the scriptures themselves have convinced me that it is wrong to tell someone to pray to be saved when they respond to the message of Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection (Mark 16:15-16).

    The sinner’s prayer is a dangerous stumbling block that can prevent a person with a genuine heart and genuine intentions from coming to the faith that has been once and for all delivered into the world for the saints of God (Jude 3). It clouds the heart. It confuses the mind. It strengthens ignorance.

    To those who are teaching that the sinner’s prayer opens the door to the salvation provided by Jesus – stop! You have no right, no authority and no honest reason to be teaching others to the contrary.

    To those who have been taught that you were saved by saying one version of a hundred different prayers, take it from someone who was once told to say the same thing as you – read through the book of Acts and through the New Testament epistles and see if anyone ever “prayed” themselves unto salvation.

    If faith comes by hearing the word of God, and it does (Romans 10:17), and the word of God says nothing about the sinner’s prayer, then how can the “sinner’s prayer” be anything but a sin that’s being taught by those who do not know or obey the truth of the gospel?

    If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God. If anyone ministers, let him do it as with the ability which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.” (1 Peter 4:11)

    #christianity, #denominational-errors, #false-teaching, #salvation, #sinners-prayer

     
    • Richard 7:29 am on 2014-03-25 Permalink | Reply

      Amen brother!!!

      • Eugene Adkins 5:32 pm on 2014-03-25 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks, Richard. What preacher doesn’t like to hear an amen every now and then.

    • Eliza 1:23 am on 2014-03-26 Permalink | Reply

      Unless God is at work in the sinner’s heart through the preaching of the gospel no amount of prayer will save the lost soul. Salvation is that sovereign act initiated and completed by God, whereby the sinner is reconciled with our holy God through believing what God’s Word says about Jesus Christ’s efficacious work on the cross on the sinner’s behalf, and in response the sinner repents and believes. There is a real transaction between the sinner and our sovereign God through God’s loving interaction with the sinner by His Holy Spirit. The sinner, for his part, agrees with God about his lost sinful condition and believes that Jesus Christ’s death has satisfied the holy wrath of God that stood against him when he was God’s enemy. The sinner is wonderfully reconciled to God, translated from the kingdom of Satan to the kingdom of Christ and has a new nature, which prompts new desires, desires to please God and live for His glory. If God doesn’t save the sinner then how else can a rebellious sinner become a beloved child of God rejoicing in the assurance of his salvation and growing in the grace and the knowledge of Jesus Christ. From sinner to saint, from an object of God’s wrath to a beloved child who shares in Christ’s inheritance and glory, this is the transforming power of God’s wondrous grace in the life of His enemy. We have to meet the Savior and be saved by Him! What amazing grace!

      He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. He came unto His own, and His own received him not. But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:10-13

      As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in Him: Rooted and built up in Him, and established in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
      Colossians 2:6-15
      God bless you:)

      • Eugene Adkins 6:53 am on 2014-03-26 Permalink | Reply

        I’d say the Colossians 2 reference is fitting considering the point that’s made and the topic at hand.

        Thanks for commenting.

    • Bernard Barton 5:40 am on 2014-03-26 Permalink | Reply

      Once I assisted a denominational preacher in a funeral-I knew the lady that we we burying-He didn’t
      But he said that she was saved because he gave her the sinners pray at her death bed-i did every thing I could to not jump up say he was wrong but I kept my mouth shut since I was assisting-I’ve dealt with the sinners pray in the past and it is not Biblical at all but denominational preachers use it frequently in funerals

      • Eugene Adkins 6:51 am on 2014-03-26 Permalink | Reply

        I can understand the feeling. I haven’t had that particular experience myself while helping out at a funeral service, but I have seen it played out a couple of times in the lives/deaths of my family and friends.

    • GORDON 1:40 pm on 2015-01-09 Permalink | Reply

      HERE IS YOU ANOTHER AMEN EUGENE. I DID NOT SEE THIS POST BEFORE I POSTED ON THE SINNERS PRAYER LINK. THE SINNER’S PRAYER IS A MAN MADE COMMANDMENT AND IS CONDEMNED BY GOD. MATT 15:9

  • Eugene Adkins 6:56 am on 2013-09-03 Permalink | Reply
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    That Tricky Situation For “Faith Only” Advocates 

    “Want to be saved? Just believe! That’s all you have to do…well, maybe say the sinner’s prayer too; but other than that there’s nothing else to do…well, maybe repent, but that’s a work of the Holy Spirit and not you – so yeah, just believe because that’s all you have to do to be saved.”

    I’m not trying to be hateful or even funny when I say the above “quote” is a summation of the comments and thoughts that one will hear from those in religion today who propose the avenue of faith only when it comes to salvation.

    It’s unfortunate, but the doctrine of faith only has confused many people when it comes to their understanding of what faith is and does, and what a person must to do in response to the gospel of Jesus to be saved, and yet the doctrine of faith only is actually a very easy doctrine to correct when a person reads just a verse or two from John’s gospel.

    In John 12:42 you’ll find a tricky situation for faith only advocates. There the Bible says, “Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in [Jesus], but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue;

    Now if a person is saved by faith alone then we must ask if these people were saved according to the gospel preached by Jesus himself. For according to the gospel preached by some men and women today they were indeed saved. Unfortunately for those who teach the doctrine of faith only and for those who failed to confess Jesus, the answer to the first question is an obvious no (Matthew 10:32-33).

    But they believed! They had faith! They had faith alone! And that’s the problem! They had faith that was alone!

    And faith alone is a dead faith – “Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.” (James 2:17)

    Don’t get tricked by those who teach that all you have to do to be saved is believe, for I believe John had something to say about that when he wrote John 12:42.

    Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.” (Acts 16:29-33)

     
    • doc 9:57 am on 2013-09-03 Permalink | Reply

      The modern lean toward “political correctness” will send many souls to Hell.

      • Eugene Adkins 6:10 pm on 2013-09-03 Permalink | Reply

        Spiritual correctness must be more important than any political correctness for politics come and go, but the word of God abides and lives forever (1 Peter 1:23-25).

        Thanks for commenting, Doc.

    • Joseph Richardson 2:21 pm on 2013-09-03 Permalink | Reply

      That’s very interesting. I had no idea that the Churches of Christ rejected sola fide (“faith alone”). And you teach baptismal regeneration. And many other of the same things for which folks call me a heretic.

      • Eugene Adkins 6:07 pm on 2013-09-03 Permalink | Reply

        Hi, Joseph. Been a while.

        We believe that faith is an essential part of a person’s salvation as Hebrews 11:6 teaches: “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

        But as far as faith alone is concerned, it never has and it never will save anyone. A faith that pleases God and saves mankind is a faith that acts on God’s word (see the rest of Hebrews 11).

        We do believe in baptismal regeneration as places such as Titus 3:5 teaches, but unlike the Catholic church, and akin to faith alone, we do not believe in baptism alone either (i.e. sacramental), for the person being baptized must have faith in the Gospel’s message to accompany it (Mark 16:15-16; Acts 8:36-37).

        All in all we don’t believe in faith alone because it’s not what the Bible teaches; not even close to the way some try to make it. Only faith in Jesus – yes! Only through the faith once and for all delivered to the saints – yes! Only if we have faith – yes! Faith alone – no!

        I’d say you’re right in saying that we probably have very many things in common that the religious world denies/promotes, at times vehemently; faith alone being one of them. I sincerely don’t mean to sound sarcastic when I say this (one of the draw backs to text without tone and expression) but perhaps you should get to know the church of Christ a little better and what we believe from the Bible, for anyone who has a little bit of knowledge about the churches of Christ would know that we do not come anything close to believers in sola fide. I did that very thing and that’s why I am where I am today.

        Good to hear from you.

        • Joseph Richardson 10:34 pm on 2013-09-03 Permalink | Reply

          As I think I mentioned when we went around and around a few times regarding infant baptism, the Catholic Church also believes that Baptism requires faith. But let’s not dig that up again. 🙂 I’ve been writing some more posts on Baptism in Scripture, but haven’t gotten back around to infant baptism again yet.

          And absolutely, we believe that we are saved through faith — since Paul says so again and again. But not faith alone — Scripture also says that again and again.

          I picked up a book not too long ago on the doctrines of the Churches of Christ — something I think someone gave my uncle when he visited one. And I do intend to read it to learn more about what y’all believe. Truthfully, I never knew very much about y’all growing up, only that you were the ones who didn’t believe in instrumental music. 😉 It was my assumption that all Protestants believe in sola fide, since it was one of the fundamental principles of the Reformation — and I know you don’t like the term “Protestant,” and I can see more and more why. If a label is necessary, I do think the Churches of Christ descend from the Protestants in terms of tradition and lineage, but I can see that they’ve pulled away from some of the core Protestant doctrines. And, the hardcore Protestants call you heretics for it (I googled), so we are in the same boat when it comes to those teachings. 🙂

          It’s good to hear from you, too. God bless you and peace be with you.

          • Eugene Adkins 6:53 am on 2013-09-04 Permalink | Reply

            The reason we do not refer to our selves as protestants in the “proper” or should I say the “popular” recognition of the word is because we in the churches of Christ, for the majority part, do not identify with the reformation movement, but rather with the restoration movement.

  • Eugene Adkins 6:51 am on 2013-02-25 Permalink | Reply
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    Damascus or Straight – They Don’t Lead To The Same Place 

    There are many in the religious world who claim that Paul was “saved” on the road to Damascus. Then using the ole’ Damascus road example they teach that all a person has to do to be saved is believe in Jesus and say a prayer and then their salvation is secure. Anybody can stake a claim, but the deed of truth can be something entirely different.

    Now, it’s definitely true that Paul met his Savior on the ole’ Damascus road but it’s not true that he received the gift of salvation from Jesus at that point. Paul was told by the Lord to keep traveling on the ole’ Damascus road and head on into the city and wait for instructions…he hadn’t arrived at his destination yet!

    The man who couldn’t wait to get to Damascus was now going to have simmer there for a time while waiting for Ananias’ instructions, and Ananias wasn’t out there on the ole’ Damascus road – he would later meet a multi-day blind, fasting and praying Paul in a house on the street called Straight. It was there, on the street called Straight, that Paul would receive the heavenly instructions on what to do to begin his walk in Jesus as a Christian (Acts 9:18, 22:16).

    If we want to reach our destination when it comes to the salvation found in Jesus we need to look to the street called Straight and not the broad way of the Damascus road. The street called Straight may be a little more difficult to find, but the scriptures make it clear that it’ll be worth the effort.

    Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14)

     
    • Morris 7:05 am on 2013-02-25 Permalink | Reply

      Works for salvation is completely foreign to salvation in the Age of Grace.

      In your opinion, how is a person saved today?

      • Eugene Adkins 8:23 pm on 2013-02-25 Permalink | Reply

        How is a person saved today? By God’s grace my friend. The same way any person is going to make it to Heaven whether they lived under the Old Testament or New Testament.

        But what you’re going to have to prove is that one is not saved by God’s grace when they do what God asks/tells them to do. For that is exactly where baptism for the remission of sins comes from – from God.

        Until you’re able to show that following/submitting to God’s commands earns any person his or her salvation then your accusation is sorely lacking any biblical truth.

    • Clarence Honnold 9:55 am on 2013-02-25 Permalink | Reply

      Yet, when Paul referred to his conversion, he always pointed to “the ole’ Damascus road,” never to his baptism. I once attended a baptism where the one baptizing said that the lady’s sins who was being baptized were now at the bottom of the swimming poor they had used as a baptistry. I’m afraid I’d didn’t appreciate the gravity of the time. My immediate thought was, “Boy, I don’ want to go into THAT water!”

      • Eugene Adkins 8:16 pm on 2013-02-25 Permalink | Reply

        Never to his baptism my friend? Baptism is mentioned 2 of the 3 times that the account is given. The point about the Damascus road is that it only began what was finished on the street called Straight as far as Paul’s salvation is concerned.

        The reason it starts on the road to Damascus is because Paul used that encounter to tell others why he was doing what he was doing when it came to preaching Jesus. So I don’t really see what baptism never being the beginning of his conversion account has to do with the post.

        At the end of the day, people today don’t need to stop on the road into town when it comes to becoming a Christian, they need to keep traveling and visit the street in town if they want to learn about the way that Paul received the remission of his sins…because it was not on the ole’ Damascus road as the rest of the scriptures plainly show.

    • Morris 4:26 am on 2013-02-26 Permalink | Reply

      I agree with you that a person is saved by Grace and that Grace is given because of what Christ accomplished through His death and resurrection, not because we walk a straight road. When we add works to Grace it is no longer Grace.

      Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

      It is not about us, it is about Christ and His sacrifice on Calvary and His glorious resurrection. If it was about us then we would have reason to boast.

      Ephesians 2:8-9
      8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
      9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

      • Eugene Adkins 6:14 am on 2013-02-26 Permalink | Reply

        So we agree that a person is saved by grace, that’s good. But are you saying salvation is by grace alone? If, and again I say if you are saying that it is by grace alone please read Ephesians 2:8 again. Salvation is not by grace alone. Grace is the only thing that’s opened the door to salvation, but grace won’t force a person to come into Christ to receive His gift – or else it wouldn’t be a gift.

        Grace is unmerited favor, but my friend don’t confuse unmerited favor with unconditional salvation. There is nothing a person could ever do to put God in his or her debt when it comes to earning salvation; there is nothing a person could ever do to have earned the right of God sending Jesus to die for our sins. But to say that walking the straight road has nothing to do with an individual’s salvation is to completely ignore what Jesus Himself said in Matthew 7:14: “For narrow is the door and hard the road to life, and only a small number make discovery of it.” (BBE) Right there Jesus simply, but clearly said that if a person isn’t interested in salvation they’re not going to find salvation despite the fact that salvation is by God’s grace. To ignore this is to walk the wide and open way of “salvation” that in reality leads to destruction (Matthew 7:13).

        Again, according to what you have said, what you must do is show how listening to God’s command about baptism (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38, 41, 8:36-38, 10:47, 18:8, 19:3-5, 22:16; Romans 6:1-4; Galatians 3:26-27; Ephesians 5:26; Colossians 2:11-12; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 3:21) makes a person put God in his or her debt. All of those cited verses show that baptism is a command and work of God to be followed according to His will; not a work designed by man that earns a person’s salvation. So if a person submits to God’s will in baptism how can one be told that they are earning his or her salvation by works?

        Please do not confuse “works” that place God in our debt with “works” that respond to His grace through faith. These two are not the same, hence a person needs to do what the Bible says they need to do when it comes to Paul’s example: Don’t stop on the road to Damascus and expect to be saved by simply “believing in your heart” or “saying a prayer” as some teach – do as the Bible says and go on into town and follow Paul’s example and be baptized to have your sins washed away, calling on the name of the Lord (Acts 22:16, Revelation 1:5).

    • Morris 6:01 pm on 2013-02-26 Permalink | Reply

      Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
      Yes, I believe it is by grace alone through faith alone.
      Not sure why you think that someone is forced as that is not the case and I have stated no such.
      As Jesus said the road to life was a hard road, but He took the hard out when He took our place on Calvary. Hard to be saved, no, hard to live as we should as Christians, yes.
      Today and let me stress the word today, baptism has nothing to do with our salvation.
      The Gospel by which we are saved today is stated in

      1 Corinthians 15:1-4

      1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
      2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
      3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
      4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

      V1 Paul is about to state the Gospel which had been received
      V2 It is the Gospel by which we are saved – the vain belief being anything other than what he is about to state
      V3 The first part of the saving Gospel: Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures
      V4 The second and third part of the Gospel – Christ was buried, and Christ rose again the third day
      No baptism – So if baptism is not required for salvation – why do we do it? As a testimony to what has happened to us – we are not baptized to be saved – we are baptized because we are saved for a testimony

      Paul said it himself:

      1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

      We are saved by believing that Christ died for our sins, and rose again the third day – this is a gift of God and cannot be earned.

      Don’t confuse the message to Israel with the message to the Church – you can’t cash a check written to someone else without getting into trouble.

      • Eugene Adkins 6:48 pm on 2013-02-26 Permalink | Reply

        Hello again, Morris,

        I’ll be fairly quick with this.

        1) You added the words alone to Ephesians 2:8. It’s not there in the Greek or in the English or in the Spanish or in the Latin or in the Russian, etc. Don’t know what translation you’re using to get that, but I’ve never seen one that says what you’re saying.

        2) A person obeys the gospel and receives the gift of God’s salvation when they die to sin through repentance (there’s the crucifixion), when they are buried in water (there’s the burial in the tomb), and when they are raised out of the water to walk in the newness of life that they did not have before (there’s the resurrection). All of this is very plainly taught in Romans 6 and it matches 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 perfectly so your point isn’t really a point at all.

        3) You’re trying to say that salvation is conditionally unconditional because you sorely misunderstand what it means for a person to believe. The saving faith the scriptures speak of is not faith alone. Faith alone never has and it never will save a person. It won’t work for the demons and it won’t work for people (James 2:17-24). No where does the Bible say that a person is saved faith alone. If you believe it does then provide the scripture verbatim and not what you think it says.

        4) Paul preached the gospel first because unless a person believes it’s a little silly to baptize people. That’s what the Catholics and others do to babies who don’t believe. It’s sad, it’s unscriptural and it has nothing to do with the baptism that a believer in the gospel of Christ is supposed to submit to. Hence the instructions of Jesus Himself for His followers to preach the gospel and then to baptize those who believe so they can have their sins remitted through His blood (Mark 16:15-16, Acts 2:38, 22:16, Revelation 1:5).

        5) You have failed again to show how a person earns his or her salvation by simply obeying the will of God. Simply because you call something a work of man does not make it so. I gave you multiple scripture references that show baptism to be a command and a work of God and not man, so please, if you would like to continue the discussion answer this one question: How does a person submitting to God’s command to be baptized cause someone to earn his or her salvation? I don’t mean to sound rude, but if you’re not willing to answer this question that gets back to the original post and your original comment then there isn’t going to be any reason to continue the discussion. Thanks for your time and cooperation.

        • Eugene Adkins 8:27 pm on 2013-02-26 Permalink | Reply

          Morris failed to even acknowledge the question again for the third time so unfortunately the conversation had to end.

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