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  • John T. Polk II 10:32 am on 2017-03-10 Permalink | Reply
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    3-6-2017 A Calendar Or The Cross 

    “And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified” (1 Corinthians 2:1-2 NKJV).  It is this fact of the Gospel of Jesus Christ that the Apostle Paul was determined to preach.  By following a man-made religious calendar, people have been turned away from that Cross. “Christmas” diverts attention to Jesus’ birth; “Lent” places the emphasis upon human denial; “Easter” skips the cross to Jesus’ resurrection; and “the thief on the cross” makes salvation from a thief rather than Jesus! Bible faith says: “But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world” (Galatians 6:14 NKJV).

    This is Johnny Polk, with “Words of Wisdom” brought to you by the Oneida church of Christ.

  • TFRStaff 6:49 am on 2016-07-08 Permalink | Reply
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    13 Objections to Baptism by Dave Miller, Ph.D. 

    Some churches historically have taught that water immersion is the dividing line between the lost and the saved. This means that a penitent believer remains unforgiven of sin until buried in the waters of baptism (Romans 6:4). Much of the denominational world disagrees with this analysis of Bible teaching, holding instead that one is saved at the point of “belief,” before and without water baptism. Consider some of the points that are advanced in an effort to minimize the essentiality of baptism for salvation. Read >>

  • Ron Thomas 10:00 am on 2014-10-02 Permalink | Reply
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    The Resurrection and the Thief on the Cross 

    There are many in the denominational world who quickly go to the “thief on the cross” to negate what the Lord said with regard to the importance/necessity of baptism in water for salvation. That we might have in front of us what the Scripture teaches, note what Peter said: “Baptism, the counterpart of that, saves you to-day (not the mere washing of dirt from the flesh but the prayer for a clean conscience before God) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 3:21, Moffat’s Translation).

    We see the godly importance of water baptism. Many deny this, however. What is normally asserted by those with a taught disposition against the Lord’s command is that baptism (in water) is a “figure” (KJV), and not really actual. In other words, baptism for salvation is figurative, not actual. To support this assertion, the remark will be made concerning the thief on the cross: “He was not baptized, but asked the Lord to remember him when he went into paradise. That means that one does not have to be baptized in order to be saved.” (cf. Luke 23:39-43)

    This is, sadly, a mistaken way of thinking. The Lord said that baptism saved, and shall we listen to anyone who speaks contrary to this? Some do, and they feel justified with that which they have been taught regarding the thief on the cross.

    Consider what Paul said about salvation, and how this applies to the thief. “…because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9, NET). There are two things required by Paul in this passage. First, one must confess that Jesus is Lord; that is, acknowledge His “Lordship” over one’s personal life. Second, one must believe in the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. Looking at Luke 23:42, one might easily agree that the thief on the cross did confess Christ, but what about the second requirement the Holy Spirit puts forth for salvation? Could the thief have believed that? Hardly!

    What this goes to point out is that the thief on the cross was not amenable (accountable) to what the New Testament teaches for salvation.

    • Randal 6:29 pm on 2014-10-02 Permalink | Reply

      Excellent, Ron.

      • Ron Thomas 6:36 pm on 2014-10-02 Permalink | Reply

        You are very kind, Randal. Your words are very meaningful.

        On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 6:29 PM, The Fellowship Room wrote:


    • Richard Mansel 8:07 pm on 2014-10-02 Permalink | Reply

      This is great work, Ron. But diligent students usually produce quality fruit.

      • Ron Thomas 8:13 pm on 2014-10-02 Permalink | Reply

        Appreciate your encouragement, Richard. Thank you

        On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:07 PM, The Fellowship Room wrote:


    • Lance Mosher 8:49 pm on 2014-10-02 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you, Ron. This was well put. Also consider how 1 Peter 3:21 says baptism is an appeal “by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” The thief could not have made this appeal, just as he was unable to confess and believe it. Similarly, Paul says that rising out of the grave of baptism is “as Christ was raised from the dead” (Romans 6:1-7). The thief could not have been saved in this same manner.
      When people asked Jesus about eternal life before the Cross, He referred them to the Law (Matthew 19:16ff). After the resurrection, He pointed to belief and baptism (Mark 16:16). Hebrews 8:6-13; 9:15-17.
      Keep serving Him!

    • Gary Knuckles 8:49 pm on 2014-10-02 Permalink | Reply

      A very good point to make! Good job, Ron.

    • Janice Horne 10:08 pm on 2014-10-02 Permalink | Reply

      Excellent! Thanks for this concise explanation. The religious world is mistaken about a number of points of doctrine because they do not rightly divide the word of truth. Knowledge and understanding result in wisdom. Keep up the good work!

    • sandirog 11:43 pm on 2014-10-02 Permalink | Reply

      Very good post. Thank you. 🙂

      • Ron Thomas 12:54 pm on 2014-10-03 Permalink | Reply

        Thank you. I would identify you by name, but I am afraid to. Is it Sandi, Sandy, or sandirog?

    • Allen Dutton 9:49 am on 2014-10-03 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you Ron for your article. We encounter the same arguments here in Brazil. Jesus was still alive when He said those words to thief on the cross. The Old Law was still the law. No baptism for salvation under the Old Law. We live under the New Law where baptism for salvation is the law. Compare 1 Peter 3. 21 with Acts 2. 38 for example. God bless you.

    • Effiong, Y.E 4:15 pm on 2014-10-03 Permalink | Reply

      I love it when we talk about the Baptism as one of the tools to salvation.God bless you immensely

    • Weylan Deaver 11:03 am on 2014-10-04 Permalink | Reply

      Good point!

    • Jim Key 8:03 am on 2014-10-06 Permalink | Reply

      Brother Marshal Keeble, one of the brilliant preachers of my parents generation said that in denying baptism one in effect changes the very words of Jesus in Mark 16:16 from: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved…” to “he that believeth and is NOT baptized shall be saved.”

      Interesting word, “NOT.”

      Satan made very effective use of the exact same tactic in Gen 3:4. (From NRSV) Gen 3:3 Eve’s statement: “but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, nor shall you touch it, or you shall die.'”

      Satan’s reply in Gen 3:4: “But the serpent said to the woman, “You will NOT die…”

      Ron’s thoughts lead directly into Paul’s discussion in Romans 6.

      Rom 6:3-4
      Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

      At the time of the thief’s confession, could he have been baptized into the death of Jesus before Jesus died?

      Rom 6:4
      Therefore we have been buried with him by baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

      At the time of the thief’s confession could he have been buried with Christ by baptism before Jesus had been buried?

      Could the thief have been raised to walk in newness of life before Christ has been raised from the dead by the glory of the Father?

      A question to the individual who denies (opposes) baptism.

      If they were there 2000 years ago on the day of Pentecost preaching to the crowd and hundreds of voices cried out, “…what shall we do?” How would those that deny baptism have answered?

      Peter said: “Repent Ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and Ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

      The denier? ” ‘Repent Ye, and [fill in in the blank: call on the name of Jesus, confess Jesus as the Son of God, let Him into your heart, …]; and Ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

      Suppose you had been one of those individuals in the crowd that day that heard Peter’s message, how would you have responded?

      The record in God’s Word: “They then that received his word were baptized: and there were added (unto them) in that day about three thousand souls.” (Acts 2:4)

      The baptism denier: “”They then that received his word [fill in the blank: prayed the sinners prayer, confessed the name of Christ, said, “no need to be baptized”, …]

      And finally for those that would claim the name of Christian remember the Biblical definition of “Christian” as given in Acts 11:26, “… the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”

      Disciple = Christian and Christian = Disciple. A disciple does not argue theology with the Master. A disciple does not twists or deny the words of the Master. A disciple does not question the wisdom of the Master.

      There are many that wear the name Christian, but are not true disciples. They want Jesus to be their friend and savior but deny Him as their Lord and Master. Based on the definition in Acts 11:26, these are simply admirers or perhaps fans of Jesus, but certainly not disciples and therefore not Christians.

      Matt 7:21 – “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. “

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